Messianic Prophecies: A New Circumstantial Argument (S&S Version)

Do the Messianic prophecies in the Jewish Old Testament prove that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and that Christianity is true?  During my time at S&S, I initiated a 4-part series on the issue of Messianic Prophecies whereby I attempt to outline a new approach to this area of study.  This argument is not necessarily based on fulfilled prophecy directly, but more from the fact that there is remarkable circumstantial situation whereby we can prove that either the Jesus of the New Testament fulfills the OT Messianic Prophecies or else no one has/can.  This unique circumstance in and of itself is enough to warrant that Jesus must be the Jewish Messiah and therefore Christianity is the one true religion of God.

Messianic Prophecies: A Circumstantial Argument (Part 1)- The Messiah’s Birth in Isaiah 7:14 & Micah 5:2

YouTube Video Link = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AiPN3-pFFQ

Anchor Audio Link = https://anchor.fm/real-seeker-ministries/episodes/Messianic-Prophecies-A-Circumstantial-Argument-Part-1–Messiahs-Birth-in-Isaiah-714–Micah-52-edoj3r 

In the first of four episodes, I look at two Messianic prophecies related to the birth of the Jewish Messiah; these prophesies include the so-called “Virgin Birth” prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 and the divine Messiah born to the house of David from Bethlehem in Micah 5:2.

Recommended Sources (for further study);

a) Typical Christian claims regarding 300+ Messianic Prophesy fulfillments see here = https://www1.cbn.com/biblestudy/biblical-prophecies-fulfilled-by-jesus . Also see a more scholarly take with all sorts of scholarly answers to issues relevant to the Jewish Messiah on Dr. Michael L. Brown’s website here = http://realmessiah.com/index.php/en/

b) Sources related to the “Virgin Birth” prophecy: See write-up here = http://christianthinktank.com/fabprof2.htmlhttp://www.tektonics.org/guest/antianti.html#four

OR, two short 10-15 min YouTube videos by Dr. Michael L. Brown on Isaiah 7:14 & on the related passage about the divine King/Messiah in Isaiah 9:6 

c) Sources relevant to the Bethlehem birth place prophecy in Micah 5:2, see write-ups here = https://www.toughquestionsanswered.org/2016/04/18/does-micah-52-indicate-that-the-messiah-is-divine/ ; http://christianthinktank.com/fabprof3.html ; http://christianthinktank.com/micah5.html ; https://jewsforjesus.org/answers/top-40-most-helpful-messianic-prophecies/ (search for #22/40) or see directly here = https://jewsforjesus.org/jewish-resources/messianic-prophecy/the-messiah-would-be-born-in-bethlehem/

And a skeptical Jewish source on Micah 5:2 

See the Part 1 attachment below to see more details in my blog write-up (with free scholarly sources for further study) and the Skeptical counter-blog post = 

Messianic Prophecies: A Circumstantial Argument (Part 2)- The Messiah’s Mission (Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 49:6 & Zechariah 12:10)

YouTube Video Link = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpeAK0teuxE

Anchor Audio Link = https://anchor.fm/real-seeker-ministries/episodes/Messianic-Prophecies-A-Circumstantial-Argument-Part-2–The-Messiahs-Mission-edpf7l

In the second of four S&S shows on Messianic Prophecy, I further my new circumstantial argument from Jesus or Bust using prophecies related to the Messiah’s mission from Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 49:6 & Zechariah 12:10.

Recommended Sources (for further study);

a) General Sources:

Real Messiah YouTube channel  and/or the Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus playlist series here

b) Jeremiah 31:31-34 Sources:

Dr. Michael L. Brown gives a lecture on “Messianic Insights from the Book of Jeremiah”.

c) Isaiah 49:6 Sources:

Brief description of the 4 Servant Songs in Isaiah.

d) Zechariah 12:10 Sources:

For the Jewish side (Rabbi Tovia Singer) on Zechariah 12:10, see Lecture #18- approx. 20 mins.

Also, for the Christian side (Dr. Michael L. Brown).

As an aside, see Brown tackle the one prophecy that Jewish anti-missionaries do attribute to Jesus (Zechariah 13:6- Jesus as the false prophet).

e) David’s Skeptical Sources:

Why Jews Don’t Believe In Jesus by Rabbi Shraga Simmons.

f) Here is the lecture by Dr. Brown mentioning the Painting analogy that Christian listener Joyce provided and I spoke of in the Part 2 show = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4v8yssXnIE

g) See my Blog Write-Up with more details as well as the Skeptic’s Counter-Response Blog in the Part 2 Attachment below = 

Messianic Prophecies: A Circumstantial Argument (Part 3)- The Messiah’s Atoning Death & Resurrection (Isaiah 53)

YouTube Video Link = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dp6rZqRjmI

Anchor Audio Link = https://anchor.fm/real-seeker-ministries/episodes/Messianic-Prophecies-A-New-Circumstantial-Argument-Part-3–The-Messiahs-Atoning-Death–Resurrection-edq0uv

In the third episode in my series on Messianic Prophecies and my “Jesus or Bust” circumstantial argument, we will focus exclusively on perhaps the most famous Messianic prophecy of all time- the Atoning Death & Resurrection of the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53. 

Recommended Sources (for further study);

a) PRO- CHRISTIAN SIDE:

Dr. Michael L. Brown gives a 1-hour lecture on “Isaiah 53, the Rabbis, and the Messiah” 

A short 10 min video on Suffering Servant not being the Nation of Israel and/or righteous remnant = 

See also the fuller 2-part discussion where this clip comes from see here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LorWCJ59CAg & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mOdiBIS_U 

A special 5-min video discussing this issue with Dr. Michael Rydelnik, Dr. Michael Brown, Dr. Walter Kaiser, and Dr. Darrell Bock 

b) CONTRA-CHRISTIAN SIDE:

See Rabbi Tovia Singer has 2 one-hour part audio Podcasts on Isaiah 53 (and other issues as well).  OR a written article on it by him

Also see 2 articles by Jews for Judaism here = https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/isaiah-53-a-jewish-perspective/ & https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/isaiah-53-explained/

c) NEUTRAL SOURCE:

Here is a quick 36 min debate on Isaiah 53 with Dr. Michael Brown and Rabbi Asher Meza

d) David the Skeptic’s Source

e) Isaiah 53 Blog and Skeptical Counter Response Blog in Part 3 Attachment below = 

Messianic Prophecies: A Circumstantial Argument (Part 4)- The Timing of the Messiah (Daniel 9 & Haggai 2)

In this 4th and final S&S episode on Messianic Prophecy, I finish off my minimal case by arguing that the Jewish Messiah must come prior to the destruction of the Second Temple in  70 A.D.  We address Daniel 9 and Haggai 2 to prove that the Messiah had to come by that time to fulfill his mission in part before that time.

YouTube Video Link = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0QoFb0GBY

Anchor Audio Link = https://anchor.fm/real-seeker-ministries/episodes/Messianic-Prophecies-A-New-Circumstantial-Argument-Part-4–Timing-of-the-Messiah-eds1st

Recommended Sources (for further study);

a) PRO- CHRISTIAN SIDE:

Michael L. Brown on Daniel 9 (2 30 min videos) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf1f10pPcao &amphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5efUqXI33w 

The greater glory in the 2nd Temple (Haggai 2 and Malachi 3) = https://www.youtube.com/watch?timecontinue=680&v=MwNklvcpK4U ; OR SEE THE LINK HERE = https://www.youtube.com/watch?timecontinue=680&v=MwNklvcpK4U 

Plus an excellent 3-hour discussion on Messianic Prophecy from Dr. Michael L Brown with a Q&A from skeptical and other Christian experts like Sam Shamoun see here = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKAnY1ULEWc 

Also, for a list of all the Jewish objections to Jesus from his 5 volume book series on “Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus”- ranging from General & Historical Objections, Theological Objection, Messianic Prophecy Objections to New Testament and Traditional Jewish objections- this link has video resources for every objection Jewish people have ever come up with against Jesus Christ and Christianity, see here = http://realmessiah.com/index.php/en/answers .

OR 13 MIN MARK = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0mOdiBIS_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hESNdHdYGbU .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY3yRdYt20o (THE PSALMS SO NOT DANIEL- BONUS???).

b) CONTRA-CHRISTIAN SIDE:

 See Rabbi Tovia Singer 1 hour audio on Daniel 9 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjV4XSpUXWY .

Also short 10 minute video on Malachi 3 and Haggai 2 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjV4XSpUXWY .

*** NOTE we also had a mention on the Measure of Faith blog site (Travis R.), see here  = https://measureoffaith.blog/2019/08/20/im-still-here/#comment-817 

c) David’s the Skeptic’s Sources:

https://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Religion/689744-1051562-yiwuw8/index.html

Who Was Rabbi Akiva?

d) My Part 4 Blog Write-Up & the Skeptic’s Counter Response Blog = 

One thought on “Messianic Prophecies: A New Circumstantial Argument (S&S Version)

  1. Here is the lecture by Dr. Brown mentioning the Painting that Joyce provided in Part 2 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4v8yssXnIE

    I also want to clarify somethings;

    1. So my circumstantial argument works by establishing the there are only two equally probable options- Jesus or Bust and thus if David or a skeptic can prove that the Bust option is more probable than not, than this would count against my argument as a negative consideration. Fortunately, no one has been able to convincingly do that.

    2. Also, I do think that one can make an argument from Messianic Prophecy proper via Isaiah 53 and other verses the predict the Messiah’s Rez and then proving the fulfillment that Jesus did rise from the dead (probably) via something like the Min Facts approach or something- this is one exception that I can think of so I was mistaken when I said I can’t argue messianic prophecy in a proper fulfilled prophesy type argument at all.

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